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This template has been semi-protected in an effort to get annom editors to discuss the addition of minor characters or characters that are not solely Punisher related.
Thanks, - J Greb (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Template:Navbox/doc specifically says the following:
It comes equipped with default styles that should work for most navigational templates. Changing the default styles is not recommended, but is possible
So it's not recommended. This edit doesn't come with a rationale, makes the template code ~200 bytes heavier, makes the template non-standard and makes it more difficult to tell what parts are links. It should be reverted. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
As there's been no-counterargument from the editor who reverted, I've removed these styles again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 19:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Actually I missed the post here on the talk page. And I'll rephrase my edit summary query: can you provide a direct link to that equates "not recommended" with "shall not be done" or to examples of where the over ride should be made? Most of the concerns that have been raise are due to accessibility issues - that there needs to be sufficient contrast between the text and the background so that anyone can easily read the text. White text on a black background does not suffer a "low contrast issue". Beyond that, if there is a consensus, guideline, or policy that spells out exactly why the override is not to be used, I'd love to have it so that it can be applied consistently across the navboxes, comics and otherwise. Otherwise, this is boiling down to "I don't like it in this particular case." - J Greb (talk) 21:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC) That's a straw man. I have never argued that changing the style was "banned"; I have pointed out that it is discouraged, and if there's no stronger argument for changing it than "pretty colours!" then the choice is between arbitrary-but-discouraged and arbitrary-but-not-discouraged. That seems like a pretty obvious call to me. The template used default colouring from inception until two weeks ago. The onus is on those wanting to use nonstandard styling to rationalise their choice. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 23:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC) I'm sorry, but without more than the one line "not recommended", which isn't quite the same as "discouraged", it falls down to personal taste. You've been quite clear about your take: if it's only to decorate, it doesn't belong. That reads a lot like, and correct me if I'm wrong, "The frivolous accenting of article elements has no place with in Wikipedia." Personally, I'm not very enamoured of the candy coloring since it does create a morass when 3 or more hit on an article (see Stan Lee or Iron Man). But that's my personal taste and colors don't inherently make the navboxes hard to use (barring the contrast issue I noted above), I'm not willing to eliminate the colors on that alone. I'd rather have a consensus or guide line, something that passes for solid to point to that unless the alternate colors are unifying for a set of templates or under a Wiki-project, they shouldn't be used. As for the bold change to this navbox... is there something other than an affront to you aesthetics that demands that the editor that made the change explain them self? - J Greb (talk) 00:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC) The "bold change" was the initial override. The template was perfectly fine not being overridden until two weeks ago. You seem to think that there's a greater burden on me to justify my position than on you for yours, which isn't the case. If nobody else provides input on this either way the template should go back to how it was two weeks ago, removing the discouraged style overrides. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Yup, the change to white on black was the bold change. Total agreement there. And the template is perfectly fine with that change. But your change is a bold one as well, one that you've made before. The previous instance being June 11 where you reverted out color changes made close to the inception of the template (May 13 and 10 respectively). The reasoning you gave then is just as shaky as the one you are giving now, and it does raise a question of when was that first bold edit: the initial coloring, the "strip to base" after the coloring had settled, the reversal of the strip, or the re-strip. What I'm looking for is something more than a one liner that can be read very flexibility since it is likely that this will come up again with this 'box, if not others. - J Greb (talk) 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC) I gave a few in the first post, but here's more:Should LBJ (Loony Bin Jim) be included on the villains page?(JoeLoeb (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC))
Can these 2 be added to the template? (JoeLoeb (talk) 19:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC))
No Mercy to be released in a week (and not "TBA"), The Punisher (1990 video game) just stubbed. --Ostateczny Krach Systemu Korporacji (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The films section is for Punisher films. The animated Punisher film is a Punisher film. See Template:Iron Man, Template:Thor, Template:Hulk etc. This is how we handle these things everywhere else. The section is for all films, and nowhere does it specify that it's "for live action films where he's the main character", as Control9000 continues to suggest. If you want to split the section into animated and live-action films, fine. But continuing to remove a valid link with the flimsiest of arguments is not in anyone's best interests. -Fandraltastic (talk) 15:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I think this is a fine idea, especially given the hype surrounding the second season of Daredevil. Just because a show isn't complete focused on the Punisher doesn't mean we can't list it.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 00:35, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Navboxes are for the articles that the they will appear in, and the Punisher template does not belong at the Daredevil page, because that show is about Daredevil. See Template:Captain America and Template:Spider-Man films where this is also an issue currently. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC) None of those talk pages you provided have any reference whatsoever to what you are talking about! I checked both of them, and there were no references whatsoever to any situation about adding TV shows to either of those respective templates.Fireflyfanboy (talk) 05:49, 23 January 2016 (UTC) Well, I never said it had been discussed on their talk pages. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:15, 23 January 2016 (UTC) I see both sides here. While it's true that all navbox links should be bidirectional, the three articles in the "Television" section all do mention the Punisher in the article. But for consistency, either the Punisher template should be added to those articles, or if this template is not appropriate on those articles, the links should be removed from this template. Personally, I think that this template should be added to the Daredevil article, and the other two should be removed. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)